In our first companion podcast episode to our deep dive into the South African case at the ICJ against Israel for genocide in Palestine, we chat to a variety of experts and ordinary South African citizens:Zeenat Adam is the Deputy Executive Director at the The Afro-Middle East Centre, and a recognised expert on the conflict in Palestine, having been published in academia and the media. Jamie Rosengarten spoke to us on behalf of South African Jews for a Free Palestine. Dr Vanessa Farr is a senior research fellow at (Sheffield-Hallam University) with decades of experience researching conflict and has spent years living in Palestine, where she worked as a Social Development and Gender Advisor at the UNDP’s Programme of Assistance to the Palestinian People. We also spoke to some Palestinian supporters outside parliament on the streets of Cape Town.